The Spirit has shown me that Church, the Body of called out believers are those Christians you meet with. Sometimes being good will require us to say harsh things. Thank you and thank Lina. And the truth of many at Harvest. @Donna Is it possible that it is God Himself who is exposing these misdeeds? Thank you Lina, for opening the door of your life so that we can understand your experience. In a statement written by church elders, the Chicago-area megachurch says they fired MacDonald for "engaging in conduct contrary and harmful to the best . Long story short he kicked my husband and I out of the church. The Lord knows and he keeps the books. Or were you saying they were bullied too. Many were kicked out and shown the door. Thanks for sharing Lina. 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It also had a church-planting network, Harvest Bible Fellowship (HBF), which MacDonald dissolved last year. superstar pastors are always ,inevitably, trouble. Thankful we got left when we did. hi liz, not really looking for a vote here. 1.) Please avoid these former Harvest elders at all cost, lest you incur great detriment to your own soul. When one part of the body hurts, we all hurt! My daughter was also at that service when they showed the video. At the moment were seeing the effects of a down cycle away from God. Then God led him to Harvest Bible Chapel. DeeperWalkInternational.org. Please have your Passports Ready. I left Harvest about a year before you did, and I also stayed, for the most part, silent out of the same fear you described. who we really love. Nicole, I am sorry if you are offended. Yet, with the growing numbers leaders, it is coming out, many followed along with James out of fear to personal, family, career damage. Both of us were involved in many forms of leadership and had invested for many years in the outreach of the church and all of its fellowship. While only a handful showed up, the range of their pain was wide. The pastor took the opportunity to lay into them and basically tell him that he was the one in the wrong. To judge a fellow brother and think you know if he is a believer is dangerous. This journey has taken me several years. But as every Christian knows, we walk and we live by grace. I just want you to know that what you did at HBC mattered, and your presence is greatly missed. No Celebrities Except Jesus: How Asbury Protected the Revival, Southern Baptist Convention Disfellowships Saddleback Church, After Pushing for UMC Unity, Former Bishop Joins New Denomination, After Chaos and Crisis, Beth Moore Still Finds Refuge in the Church, With Gossip of the Gospel, the Church Grows in Nepal. Fear. God is faithful, and He is doing what needs to be done to protect His bride. James biggest issue was his condemnation of other preachers, he never mentioned them by name he knew better, but I knew who he was talking about. Im praying for you. Why do you say you have a lack of music?. Sitting in the pews, I could not see how deep the cancer was at HBC. You are a blessing to many in need. I will be praying for you. Not one. In eras of prosperity, their hearts drifted. I also assumed that because of the size of Harvest, those closest to you would reach out. When I asked questions at the Harvest I attended I was told to be careful what I read on the internet. Hannibal Harvest Bible Church (EIN# 862793399) is an tax exempt organization filed with Internal Revenue Service (IRS). We did not want to cause a split or damage the cause of Christ, so we quietly left. Right. The reason there are spiritual Pol Pots that number in the thousands like our friend James McDonald is because men are happy to give themselves authority. Thankful for her thoughtful response and I agree with you that God knows all of this and isnt surprised by any of it including the timing of her response. A friend sent me a link to sermon about this yesterday: https://radical.net/sermon/kingdom-community/. An eight-month investigation into pastor James MacDonald and Harvest Bible Chapel, his Chicago-area megachurch, culminated last week with the publication of a World Magazine article by Julie Roys. I can see you have regret for not having the courage to do it then but youre working to make up for it by speaking now. In 2019, Harvest initially did not release these assets, assuring the congregation, none of Harvest Bible Chapels or Walk in the Words donations or assets have gone to James, and we will not be giving him anything in the future since his termination was with cause. The year prior, Walk in the Word brought in close to $8.5 million, with 2,000 stations airing the show. When we left, after having posted a letter to the elders, not a single person called us to see how we were doing. I would recommend A book Joy Starts Here and The Pandora Problem Facing Narcissism in Leaders & Ourselves as helpful to possibly understand how whats happened can be explained and perhaps bring healing and prevention as members move forward. Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes: Its Not About Winning Football Games. ! From elders (Dave Corning, Jon Gaus, The Elephant Debt etc) to nobodies one by one we were all ignored and in many cases bullied. [], Lost me at the private jet shared with Bill Hibel. Just pray in a prayer closet to be still in the presence of Jesus. For me, it is because it is time for truth. God is sovereign, He is the Healer, He is the Restorer, He is the Renewer, and He will continue to do what He is doing in order to bring about His will for His people. Instead, it was MacDonald and his inner circle that were making the decisions, unilaterally. This was encouraging to read and I hope others take it to heart. As were you, we were grieving and had to pray for help finding that new church. This cancer must be excised and as often as is the case in cancer treatment, months of treatment must be involved for health to take place. Pastor James this and Pastor James that. While regret cant look back, we now live in a different era than we did four years ago. What I have realized is the weakness and defeatism of so-called Christians who immediately abandon their Church when trouble comes its way. I dont take joy in this situation, but I rejoice in the truth. How do you know it wasnt done with fasting and with prayer? For me, I would like to apologize for not reaching out to you when I finally realized that you had left HBC. You can read that article here. It IS her truth FEAR is a liar, pray for them and never let offense take you out, that was the enemys plan! You also restrained and could have said much more and didnt. Sarah, I am so sorry for whatever happened to you. Thats what happens to us as individuals and us as a collection of people. And still some came because their loved ones and spouses have abandoned the faith completely and now refuse to go to church and they long to understand why. Sometimes they will require being nice. That the church went on and did not implode or hemorrhage members right then speaks to the prevalence of harmful ideas about authority and church leadership in evangelical circles. These are the last days! My heart breaks for the ones who will walk away from church and walk away from God. Opt out of mega church? Even now, many years later, the enemy could still, if I let him, get me questioning my motives and trying to persuade me I was in the wrong not the shepherds. If hearing voices together of those who have truth helps, then now is the time to speak. I pray that moving forward, His love will control me no matter the consequences. What is strange about your concern about your own fear is I have been of thee opinion that Pastor James must have been ruled by his own fear-fear of losing influence and the fear of losing his ministry. They helped to create this culture of fear. I see Jesus in youfrom one member of the Body to another. I agree here. I believe my continued presence wouldve required me to openly protest in every Sunday service because to remain silent through the service wouldve done injustice to the victims and passively shown support for the authoritarian leaders who refused to repent. Linas testimoney is encouraging. In keeping with our past private statements to Harvests leadership and to our pastorsThe primary issue is not reconciliation or peacemaking, it is repentance, GCC elders said in a January 17 statement. Connect With Us! This is why NOW. Wake up and take some serious deep reflection you follow a man not Jesus that is extremely dangerous my suggestion to you.., workout your salvation with fear and trembling my sister in Christ. Thank you for coming forward! Harvest numbers 13,000 attendees across seven locations, and the church began affiliating with the Southern Baptist Convention in 2015. I applaud you for your courage to leave the church and let the fall out damage by James to you as a person and your career ministry, to be in Gods hands. Mike Winger Discusses When God Hardened Pharaohs Heart, Tennessee Church Showcases Tyre Nichols Photography, Louisiana Pastor Sentenced to 5 Years in Money Laundering Case Involving Nearly $900K in Stolen Funds, Steven Curtis Chapman First Contemporary Christian Artist To Earn 50th No. Roys article details three examples of actions that former Harvest employees say reveal MacDonalds hot-tempered, vengeful personality. In other words, thatwasMacDonald in the recording. Doing ministry you love. He claimed he would never return to Willow until things had changed and the time was right. Your staying as long as you did part of the clarity and power youve experienced in communicating what youve seen. I believe Lina did do the best she could at the time. I left for the Truth of Orthodoxy! It was so hard not to be bitter, and it took a long time to want to be part of another church and not be so cautious. Christ followers are saying enough. REALLY !! I enjoy both of you Christian ladies for the different gifts you both bring. Pastor James MacDonald preaches at Harvest Bible Chapel. I am thankful that timing of other circumstances in my life led me to a new city to grow and find a faithful, healthy, growing, biblical church community. Anointing: Every believer is a priest in the new covenant. The pastor also gets $1.2 million and a parcel of property in Crystal Lake, Illinois, as well the ministrys equipment, books, and digital resources, the church announced this week. In her expos, titled Hard Times at Harvest, Roys details evidence from former Harvest elders, employees and members that show an ongoing pattern of relational and financial abuse, a lack of transparency and outright deception., Harvest strongly disputes the claims, saying Roys has an unhealthy fixation on the church and failed to uncover the desired scandal.. I am surprised by your editorial on Harvest. Jesus desires mercy and not sacrifice. WHY NOW??? Your studies are strong biblical studies. I knew he wasnt perfect, but then, neither was I, I reasoned. Do you read the elder updates? An eight-month investigation into pastor James MacDonald and Harvest Bible Chapel, his Chicago-area megachurch, culminated last week with the publication of a World Magazine article by Julie Roys. see My Dream Church https://sites.google.com/site/mydreamchurch/. I wont make that mistake again. Like in Ezekiel, many people are trying to sound the trumpet of warning!! I kept seeing little hints of questionable goings-on at Harvest Bible Church, a large megachurch in suburban Chicago, but didnt really pay attention until last week, when the issue blew up in the most bizarre way. Secrest, who founded the church in 2016 and affiliated with Harvest last September, said he didnt know at the time about the ongoing concerns raised about MacDonalds leadership and the churchs financial status, which led to Harvests lawsuit last year. Were they unaware of what was happening behind the scenes? Lina, On January 7, 2019, Harvest elders announced they decided to drop the lawsuit against Julie Roys and four other individuals. Praying for you, many blessings for all you do. There the preacher has no real power at all. A year or so before leaving Harvest I had written a blog post about holiness in which I had referenced the growing fad of tattoos in our culture. I can only hope and pray that those that criticize you for speaking up now are MORE upset about the behavior of the leaders of the church! I dont know why, except that I just really wasnt getting the Word of God from the stage and I do mean stage. Browse 60+ years of magazine archives and web exclusives. Voices heard together make a difference. blessings. Thank you, Lina. James has all the characteristics of a false teacher. However, James is not the same person he was when he began that church and if he was to continue leading it, he would hurt countless others. [], [] While only a handful showed up, the range of their pain was wide. I also trust that you did seek wisdom from the Lord on what and how to speak into this. He was a ruler of his churches. Open your eyes and feel the heat of the refiners fire. Because she is helping expose evil and proving that is is deep and wide and on going. Your time at Harvest made a huge impact to my small group and strengthened my faith in Christ . Pray and console those whose faith has weakened from this. I hope that you are recovering well, for you have added a vital piece of information. On February 12th, someone who sounded an awful lot like James MacDonald called into Mancow Mullers Chicago-area radio show to cuss out all of his perceived enemies. However, he ultimately agreed with the wave of backlash his pastor-friend now faced, condemning how MacDonalds drama had overshadowed Harvest and threatening a class-action lawsuit yesterday if MacDonald remained its pastor for another week. If so Id be in agreement but again- this is not a political post. I remember when I saw the tattoo that James got and I remembered the line from The Davinci Code about the Chevron symbol. It is a shame to Christianity what is happening here. *For the mouth speaks out of that which fills the heart. Jesus is still the great healer and restorer. I met you when you spoke at Harvest Davenports womens ministry retreat and events many years ago and was challenged and inspired by your teaching. At Camp Harvest in 2009, for example, the pastor shot at a target that contained photos of some elders wives. Its so fitting that you likened the pain at Harvest to the pain of a divorce. That occurred right after eight former elders sent a letter to the current elder board, claiming that MacDonald was guilty of self-promotionlove of moneydomineering and bullyingabusive speechoutbursts of anger[and] making misleading statements. Harvest countered by accusing those eight former elders of great sin and defiling many people., The three censured elders said Harvest maintained a culture of fear and intimidation that destroyed relationships. A new believer has lost faith because of the shameful behavior of HBC leadership and all you can say is question the new believers truthfulness of his account? Most continue to stay there, as their numbers dwindle. In fact, he is the one who is no longer pastoring. I have lived with fear in my life almost my entire life. This included an abusive and fear-based culture where those who question leadership are punished, she writes. Pastor was not happy and tried to convince us that we were wrong. You are courageous! I love this idea! The current leadership at Harvest Bible Chapel including Luke and Landon and Rick and Mo and Jeff and the CFO are infected by the cancer of fear and control. Im so sorry, and Im sorry for the comments here that are going to be painful for you. I praise your decision to own your ministry outside of James. Lastly, we need to comfort hurting today, she wrote. This post reminds me of something that happened at my former church. Sign up for our newsletter: Others lied to me directly for selfish gain. I do know that my faith will not be shaken. Amen Sister! Soon we must bring those truths to light, but for now we continue under the weight of so much falsehood in hope that the church will themselves initiate the needed steps of public confession, he wrote. We attended Elgin from 2005 through 2008. Dont stop trusting or loving. Harvest will also reimburse MacDonald another quarter-million dollars related to selling his former home and transfer compensation related to his retirement benefits. I chose to believe the Bible and Gods promises. Im a prostate cancer survivor and had radical prostatectomy in 2005. Oh Kristy, Thank you so much for expressing exactly what I am feelingsuch sorrow, such heartbreaking sorrow. My family attended a smaller Harvest church close to Elgin. In my lowly position, I have said, like others, I would have put my head in the sand and continued to do the job God gifted me to do in the interest of the body. Ted Haggard bemoans his "exile" in a new HBO documentary. The 60-year-old pastor called on his former church to confess its wrongs and correct the record. There are larger lessons to be learned. On Tuesday, Chicago shock jock and one-time friend of MacDonaldMancow Muller aired a series of clips featuring someone who sounds like MacDonald making offensive comments. If you know anything about abuse it can take years to come forward. Laurie Newman, a Harvest member, told Christianity Today that she believes the church's current leaders, like Bradshaw, are "good people who want to lead the church the way God wants it to. Hearing these stories has helped me to realize I left just when I was supposed to. Lina, Hidden things have come to light. This is a very vulnerable time for a lot of people and I am sure God weeps for every single wounded soul.. For a great many, it's time for the cult of personality of James MacDonald at Harvest chapter to close and the actual Bible to be opened again., Today on his edgy radio show, Muller said while he felt MacDonalds firing had to happen, he also had wanted nothing to do with any of it and now my part is done., I feel like God was using me in this, he said. Jesus taught eternal love. We sincerely thank you for your prayers, your support, and your patience as we work together to restore a trust in leadership, a humility to surrender to biblical authority, and a firm resolve to move forward as a church family., Subscribe to CT James MacDonald founded Harvest Bible Chapel in 1988. He wants a huge army of women indwelled with the Holy Spirit to point people to Christ. I have nothing bad to say about Harvest. I left HBC Davenport 4 years ago because of the spiritual abuse that is happening there as well. Theyre gone. Harvest Bible Chapel has fired its founder and senior pastor James MacDonald following years of controversial behavior, financial scandal and allegations of bullying and intimidation. It didnt. Have you not read these passages? I was too afraid to ask her why. maybe its time for all of us to wake up. There would be major issues involving James, followed by a carefully worded elder update or a carefully scripted announcement in church. It is finally the truth coming to light from his own actions and the people who protected him for years. Have you sought the Lord in prayer and fasting?Exposing sin is not hurtful then you would be against every prophet in the Bible. A former youth pastor for Harvest Bible Chapel in Aurora has been charged with the sexual exploitation of a 16-year-old boy on allegations he sought nude pictures of the boy and repeatedly. Be blessed Lina! If you personally were not in a position to be damaged by James, do not judge those who were susceptible to the wrath damage of James. A Florida Lawyer Argues That a Pregnant Inmates Unborn Child Is Being Illegally Detained, Experts Predict the Ozone Layer Will Fully Heal Within 40 Years, The Biblical Reasons for Going Low Waste, The Spiritual Toll of Americas Food Waste Epidemic, The Buffalo Supermarket Shooter Has Been Sentenced to Life in Prison. I regret staying at Harvest after that meeting with the elders. James MacDonald (born October 4, 1960) is a Canadian-born evangelical Christian pastor, television evangelist, and author. All I have to say Lina is thank you! I think the congregation who asks these questions should know that I pray for them. On January 16th, MacDonald took an indefinite sabbatical leave. Church is a small community. No one knows why. I am ashamed to say that after being a member at Harvest for 8 years, that was the first real conversation I had had with an elder about the state of affairs of the church at that time. Conversions credited to women evangelists sharing the good news one-on-one in conversations. Ezekiel 22:27: Her princes [leaders] within her are like wolves tearing the prey, by shedding blood and destroying lives in order to get dishonest gain. I left the church 4 years ago, the week after 3 elders were publiclyex-communicated on a cheap home made movie not worthy of one wasted second of the worship service. Nellie, Your comments are without sound knowledge of the depth of this I am SO glad that Lina has allowed the grace of Christ to free her from the culture of fear that controls Harvest Bible Chapel, and I am impressed by her willingness to speak in such as grace-giving way that will speak freedom to others who are hurting from this. Thank God the early Christians stood firm and did not run away from troubles. It was an extremely long and difficult decision to finally leave (we did our best to leave peacefully with the good of Christs church in mind) knowing very well that our reputations and many of our friendships we had there would be severely if not permanently damaged. Lina, There are times in our lives and circumstances that its just not real clear as to how to address something, with as little harm to what is good, as possible. As one person whom MacDonald led to the Lord remarked to me, Its like finding out your wife is a serial killer. The disillusionment, betrayal, and loss can be excruciating. When I left my job I stayed at HBC for about another year before leaving entirely. The abuse I suffered first hand and working through the realizations and implications of that abuse have been traumatic. All of it. 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