TVTropes is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License. He and Kate say they know now that they have more than anger to sustain them. "All I could say was: 'My son is dead? Kind of panic sets in, I guess, and that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. It is absolutely heartbreaking. Maybe the last time you talked to Shirley there was some very subtle change in tone. In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in Keystone State Park outside Latrobe, Pennsylvania, five bullet wounds in his face, chest, buttocks, and the back of the head. I have to tell you that Andrew is dead. But their efforts to safeguard him weren't enough and they saythat both the justice system and the child welfare system failed them. Eventually, David and Kate broke up for good. hoped Shirley Turner would be returned to the US to face a murder trial. But instead of folding, Kate became a volunteer advocate for foster children and started helping the parents of other murdered children. Your recently viewed items and featured recommendations, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss. For the first time in years, David Bagby and his wife Kate are decorating their home for Christmas. I got to go to the trial. But something kept me going, and. David was taking pictures, Kate says. Ive never seen people react more passionately, intensely. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on June 16, 2016. She was granted bail and awarded custody of the child despite the fact that she faced charges ofpremeditated murder and had fled the U.S. David and Kate Bagby moved to St. John's. '", "The murder has dominated our lives," says her husband, David, 63. Save 50% on 1 when you buy 2 Shop items. It soon became apparent who was responsible. We would've done handstands and cartwheels to. When theyre telling their story, David will invariably ask Kate whether shed like to start a particular chapter, or should he? Since this was written by the first victim's father, little to no backstory was provided for the accused murderer. The ending was so shocking, I was screaming with David Bagby That bitch! There was the swimming pool and the pool table and the parents who were always there, but never in the way. While keeping a matter-of-fact tone throughout the book, bursts of emotion break through and you can really feel the pain that the Bagby's went through. Tragically, Shirley kills Zachary in a murder-suicide. My heart aches for Kate and David Bagby. Mr. SHEARS: I can remember being really upset and pissed off about that, happening because I had--I had friends here, and I had no time to tell anybody, basically why. And in the meantime, without that crucial piece of evidence to charge her with Andrew's murder, Shirley Turner quietly left US soil and returned home to Newfoundland. They were living like students, says the Rev. Couldn't be her. but if we don't get help, we don't know if we're doing what's best. It looked like an open-and-shut case but, before the police could arrest her, Turner fled over the Canadian border, back home to St John's, in Newfoundland. I cried all the way reading this, and also while watching the documentary. As Kate and David talk about their son, you can see the teamwork. If Shirley, Turner had her way, they wouldn't have met Zachary at all, claiming she didn't. `When Andrew would cry, David would say, `To think we paid good money for this,' Kate jokes. They quit their jobs and moved from California to Newfoundland. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) (Unintelligible) Hi, sweetheart. The Turner report says their relationship soon deteriorated. Unidentified Man #21: (Talking in group) I know. I can understand that. It, (Photo of Shirley; Shirley, Zachary and David; photos of Shirley and Zachary). I'm just curious Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, and I wanted to know for safety. Then when he sort of tried to get her to go away, she wouldnt.. Each decision is subject to appeal. After viewing product detail pages, look here to find an easy way to navigate back to pages you are interested in. The 13-month-old boy died when his mother, Dr. Shirley Turner, held him and jumped into the frigid North Atlantic near Conception Bay South, N.L. You never know whats going to make you sit and cry for the day.. It turns out Shirley owned a .22 caliber handgun, which she acquired while living in Iowa. What a flaky person. He interviewed old friends who recalled Andrew as a gregarious, well-loved soul who starred in Kuenne's earliest attempts at filmmaking. don't have these meltdowns and emotional scenes. The two also had trust issues they were trying to overcome on Temptation Island,as they had both cheated on their previous partners. Therefore be forewarned that the back of the book reveals exactly what happened, as does the book itself near the beginning. Woman #9: to make that journey was awful. KATE: You get a different kind of relationship with God after this kind of. They were in kind of a basement apartment with second-hand furniture. They smothered him in kisses and often spoke to him about Andrew. ", Get email updates with the day's biggest stories. Turner had not finished with the family yet. After reading what happened to that poor innocent little boy I truly think that the people responsible for leaving him with his dangerous, violent suicidal mother should do hard time in prison. Mr. BAGBY: Yes. In fact, Turner would travel frequently from Iowa to visit Andrew in Latrobe, something shed done the week before he was killed. They sometimes visited with Zachary and Turner as if nothing had happened. Afterwards Turner ran off to Canada (she had duel citizenship) before Pennsylvania Cops could arrest her for Dr. Andrew Bagby's brutal murder. He was such a good baby. (Kate and Zachary; judge in court; Shirley being escorted from court), Mr. KUENNE: I don't know. Mr. BAGBY: The police didn't give us very much information, but they started. The Bagbys and their grandchild were living in a cramped apartment. A couple whose son and grandson were murdered are celebrating a new law that empowers Canadian courts to refuse bail when a suspect's child may be in danger. Some changes, including increased spending and a review of social worker training, have been made to the child protection system since the tragedy. Turner walked to the end of the pier and, holding Zachary against her, jumped into the frigid Atlantic. In February 2002, Turners Canadian lawyer made an announcement that changed everything: Shirley Turner was pregnant with Andrew Bagbys baby. Laudable ambition, difficult to achieve. It's great. Some time after 1 a.m., she sat in the car and apparently mixed a bottle of sleeping pills with Zacharys formula. Cpl. Some days its difficult to get out of bed, Kate, 65, says. We. To calculate the overall star rating and percentage breakdown by star, we dont use a simple average. He said, `What can happen?'. Just like Andrew, you know, happy. Tragic doesn't even come close to describing this case. While the offense with which she is charged is a violent and serious one, the court ruled, it was not directed at the public at large., On Jan. 10, David says, we had to give Zachary back to her.. Mr. BAGBY: She told the court she was afraid we would harm the baby. CONTRIBUTED BY DAVID AND KATE BAGBY Sixteen years have passed but for the Bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. This is an amazing true story that waswell, not conveyed with the same fiery delivery seen in the film "Dear Zachary". MORRISON: It was August 2003, the wee hours of the morning by the ocean. She, floored by grief. But the interview never happened and the social workers brief report was one of the last notes to ever go into Turners file. More appropriately, it is written assuming we know the story and want to find out details of the why and the how. It's pretty easy to analyze what the, options are. You know what, when Andrew didn't show up at 7:30, I knew something was very wrong. Source: Kate Griffith/Instagram, David Benavidez/Instagram. DNA testing proved he was Andrew Bagbys son. By Zacharys birthday in July 2003, Turners fight against extradition had suffered another blow. And then, November 2001, Andrew Bagby was shot dead in a state park not far from the hospital in which the young doctor was a resident, and his devoted parents all but lost the will to live. Very brave parents. David Bagby says there were no thoughts of suicide at the news of Zacharys killing. granddad? She. Mr. BAGBY: We first got to see him personally in family court. In June 2003 the Attorney General ordered that Turner be extradited to the US. I, was like, `Hi, buddy.' Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) It's either in my closet or my bedroom. then one day I realized what it was. killed herself and Zachary in a murder-suicide. Cpl. I lay in--laid there in bed a couple of times and thought, If I just kill her, Zachary will be safe. First published in 2007, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss follows Andrew's family as they . And because he made friends easily, the Bagbys home was the hangout for Andrew and his friends. The couple were so scared of upsetting Turner and losing access to Zachary they forced themselves to be cordial. But how? I--we both did. A three-volume report released in 2006 by coroner Peter Markesteyn blamed fundamental flaws in the province's social services for Zachary's preventable death. (Photo of Shirley; Zachary; photo of Shears and Zachary), Mr. SHEARS: There was a conversation one time she had with me and Erica, in, regards to if something ever happened to her and she had to go to jail or. news about his mother and baby brother, and was slammed with instant blowback. 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How could they let an accused murderer walk free? Absolutely riveting.i couldn't put it down, and was completely draw in and addicted. They have a mission to bring change from tragedy. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son about His Father is a 2008 documentary detailing the life and death of one Dr. Andrew Bagby, a resident at a family practice in Latrobe, Pennsylvania. However, David and Toneata's relationship did not last long. MORRISON: And ultimately she sent him away, with no forewarning. Both reactions are legitimate, prompted by the same tragic loss, David says. Help contribute to IMDb. Reviewed in the United States on October 1, 2022. Shes Kate Bagby from Sunnyvale, she explains. (Photo of Shirley, Kate and Zachary; photo of Shirley, David and Zachary; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I just want your word that I'm going to, know where he's at, like any babysitter, you know, if you're going to take him, anywhere, just say, `Shirley, we're going to run out and do this. And she followed Andrew to St. John's. Temptation Islandairs Tuesdays at 10 pm ET on USA. Like everyone elses mom, I guess.. Kate says everything seemed to be going smoothly, until here. Try again. "This was our goal," said Bagby. ', Mr. SHEARS: Things happen in America that don't seem to happen up here as. For this night they were a couple once again, dancing and drinking together. Zachary himself was murdered by his mother as well. MORRISON: It's no easy thing to be a doctor in America. "It was an overpowering feeling. You can't tell them this over the phone. I have some hope that telling this story in detail has a chance to cause change in the law, David says of his book. Reviewed in the United States on October 26, 2016. Not always.. Home video captured what looked like a. typical domestic scene, but beneath these happy images lies a darker truth. The days he and a friend would work on his beloved Celica out in that driveway. And he was beautiful, Kate says. MORRISON: But Shirley would make it tough for Andrew to do that. And it was the happiest they had been since the days before their son was murdered. Initially, Andrew's close friend Kurt Kuenne, a filmmaker, intended the film as a personal memorial and scrapbook so that Zachary could know the kind of person his father was. Andrew Bagby is murdered in the US by a woman who was angry that he broke up with her. I said, `Find her, and I think you'll find who did this.'. In fact, he had made a date with another woman that night. Was it a tight bond? And she followed Andrew to St. John's.. And when, after his first year at med school, Heather broke off the engagement, Andrew was crushed. Apparently it takes years to extradite criminals from Canada back to the USA, and despite being wanted for a vicious murder Dr. Turner was granted bail (unlike in the USA nobody had to put any actual money up to guarantee Turner's release, all she needed to gain her freedom was talk a few friends into signing paperwork, despite being wanted for a brutal murder!) And if you haven't seen it, you need to. But after a year of trying unsuccessfully to have a baby, Kate started using fertility drugs. Kate Bagby still cannot believe that murder has engulfed her life. Zachary ends up killed by his wicked mother to spite his family and the Canadian courts, while also getting away with murdering his father. They're like, `What do you mean?' When they pulled up at Turners place, the mother slipped Zachary out of his car seat. did. David Bagby, who plans to send a copy of his book to key Canadian legislators, says he will continue to fight for bail reform. and, despite her history of unstable behavior, stalking men who wanted to escape from her insanity and documented history of suicidal gestures when rejected by any of her numerous lovers Shirley Turner was allowed to retain primary physical and legal custody of her son that she was pregnant with when she murdered his father, Zachary. He was developing a personality. Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot concedes defeat, Southern California home sales fall to all-time low, Denver just got a direct flight to this Caribbean island known for music history and vegetarian cooking, NYC Mayor Adams dismisses need to separate church and state, declares himself a servant of God, Zero-calorie sweetener linked to heart attack and stroke, study finds, Do Not Sell/Share My Personal Information. One of Davids shipmates knew the parents of Kates friend well and he knew Kate and her friend were anxious to see the sights. In the fall of 2002, Turner and her lawyer agreed that the Bagbys should gain temporary custody of Zachary if Turner were sent to jail. "The birth of Zachary gave us part of Andrew back," says Kate. Mr. KUENNE: (Kate holding Zachary) Hello, bud. Shirley Turner, awaiting, extradition for murder, was out of prison on bail. Slain tot's grandparents welcome new bail law | CBC News Loaded. However awkward Shirley Turner made it, they were sweet, cooperative. He was like, `Eh, mm.' Was it true? The couple had met in medical school at Memorial University of Newfoundland. Unidentified Man #24: Two I have ever known. They really wanted to have a relationship with their grandchild. For those who've asked how Kate & David Bagby are doing now, here's a lovely article from Diane Crocker at Newfoundland's The Western Star. 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