Stories such as these are easily remembered, the characters bold, and the symbolism rich in meaning. Personal experiences can be evidence of the truth of rightly handled and understood Scripture, but not vice versa. And i have my wife to thank actually, because she asked me to help her find some pretty theologically sound ladies, and it was in a post Michelle did that she found what she was looking for. I want people to study their Bibles and use Scripture as the measuring stick for the things that are happening and being taught in the church today. Do you have any other examples? (I remember when I was a missionary to New Guinea back in the 80s, the missionaries were teaching us how to reach the unsaved New Guinea nationals by telling simple Bible stories, and stories of how our lives were changed by Jesus. Priscilla is Tony Evans daughter. Going Beyond Ministries is focused on the expository teaching of the Word of God. https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/christ-centered-silence-for-noisy-advent-season. #4b- this is supposition on your part. Yes, thats correct. Do you send women to your articles as a response? This is a promotional clip not a scriptural teaching. How can we be Christians who care? So instructing men is a red flag to watch for if youre looking for a doctrinally sound teacher. We are to go beyond encouragement. Pastor Chris Rosebrough explains why Priscillas twisting of John 10 to mean that we can hear God speak to us is unbiblical. If they ever do an article on her, I will add it to my list of resources here. #3 Priscilla teaches to listen for Gods voice. Should she repent in these areas in which she has broken Scripture and align herself with biblical principles, she would have no bigger fan than I, and I would rejoice to be able to point Christian women to her as a doctrinally sound resource. It sounds like you want to be discerning and weigh things carefully. If not, she does not know the Bible well enough to be teaching (James 3:1). In addition, Beth Moore violates other Scriptures including the ones prohibiting the teaching of false doctrine and yoking ourselves together with those who do. Go beyond putting ourselves first. It was stated, that the big name pastors are no where to be found when standing against these deceptions. He was one of the founding fathers of the heretical Word of Faith/New Apostolic Reformation movement and a mentor to Ken Copeland, whos also a Word of Faith/New Apostolic Reformation heretic. Romans 4:18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be. I dont know half of your theological terminology, but I do know that I love Jesus and Im going to heaven, so Im just fine with that. I didnt know I was reading and studying scripture wrong. Heres the thing. Heres why: 1. Going Beyond Ministries with Priscilla Shirer - The Mercy of Our Great God (March 24, 2017) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon at Celebration Church (co-"pastored" by a woman) Priscilla Shirer: YOUR Spiritual Battle & the Armor of God (Full Teaching) | Praise on TBN (May 21, 2021) Priscilla preaching to a co-ed audience at Passion 2018 When I participated in Priscillas DVD studyHe Speaks to Meseveral years ago, I found her to be an engaging writer, a witty storyteller, and charismatic speaker. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. Romans 8:24 For we There are two sources for fear: when we are caught up in something we did not count on, and when we are not in control. Next, youre not going to see an article like this from TGC or Challies. Theres plenty of video evidence of it and witnesses who could testify to it. Is she a false teacher? She sounds really nice and charismatic and thats about it but my spirit doesnt bear witness with her. 3. Steven Furtick is the pastor of Lysa TerKeurst, and he is on Oprahs Super Soul 100 list. After the service, people went by the preacher, tired and exhausted. This article is more along the lines of a court case where youre on the jury and Im showing you the evidence of Priscilla Shirer breaking the law. 52-week preaching calendar to help you plan your sermons, Customizable sermon manuscripts for verse-by-verse preaching, Preach with creativity and impact throughout the year, [NEW YEAR] 4-Week Series to kick off 2023, [PRODUCTIVITY] Fulfill your full potential, [FOUNDATIONS] Getting back to what matters most. I dont think you read my comment carefully enough. Introduction to Beyond Sunday Series: CEB Brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit. On October 16, 2016, Priscilla and her husband, children, and mother were in attendance at T.D. read more, Scripture: And because of those issues, I deeply regret that I am not able to recommend her as I would like to. Thats a rare find these days. 1 Samuel 30: 6 And David was greatly distressed; for the people spake of stoning him, because the soul of all the people was grieved, every man for his sons and for his daughters: but David encouraged himself in the LORD his #1 You have noted that Priscilla preaches to and instructs men in the Scriptures but I cant find the link. One thats not a promotional tape? God speaks to us and teaches us through the careful study and preaching of His word, not through subjective voices, feelings, and experiences in the rhythms of everyday living (what, precisely, does that phrase even mean?) This was very interesting thanks for putting this out there. Until that time, however, it saddens me to have to recommend that Christian women not follow Priscilla Shirer or any materials or activities from Going Beyond Ministries for the following reasons: Priscilla unrepentantly preaches to and instructs men in the Scriptures in violation of 1 Timothy 2:12-14(as well as other passages of Scripture that do not allow this). Romans 4:18. If a big guy writes against a LifeWay person, he might not get anymore invitations. 2 JOHN Morning Service The purpose is that none of you will be arrogant, favoring one person over another. INTRODUCTION: Yes, there are many more examples of Priscillas poor handling of Scripture in the Additional Resources section. In closing out this conversation, I would strongly encourage you to continue practicing what youve said- just study your Bible in a systematic way, using good hermeneutics, and stay away from false teachers like Priscilla Shirer. I felt the Lord provided it at the very time I needed it. Its this link: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=18085. I KNOW this is your website and if I dont like it or cant relate to or dont understand what your position is on a particular topic~ I have the choice to stop reading. Joshua 24:1-33, Beyond Sunday is about being a person who is after Gods own heart a person who loves God first and foremost who places their love relationship number one in their life the person who does the One Thing the greatest thing first with God/Jesus love, Beyond Sunday pt. Indeed, we were the first to reach you with the gospel of Christ. Id recommend starting with Rock Your Role FAQs #11, then moving on to Jill in the Pulpit. I am currently getting familiar with blogs for Christian ladies and your thorough, scholarly, biblical recommendations are absolutely invaluable. And how their lives could be changed, too. You know, your making this comment right now is very interesting timing. Defining moments, we all have them. A. Did you feel any kind of fear? Yes, its a big deal and, yes, I will continue to teach and write about it. If I might, it would be my joy to help you out with this. One of them went up to him and told him. There CAN be women from different denominations there, what is so wrong with that? The False Teaching of Priscilla Shirer on the Here I Stand Theology Podcast, Is Priscilla Shirer a Sound Exegete? Kay Arthur, Beth Moore, and Priscilla Shirer Believe In Teaching Men Too, Popular False Teachers and Unbiblical Trends, Priscilla Shirer: Living Your Life For Christ (Full Teaching) | Praise on TBN, Priscilla Shirer Talks Women and the Church, Moving From the Pew to the Pavement and Why, War Rooms Priscilla Shirers Contemplative History, and Why ItMatters, Review of Priscilla Shirers Sermon: The Multitude, Priscilla Shirer: Out Of The Closet At The Alpha Leadership Conference 2017, Why I do not recommend Kendrick Brothers new movie, War Room, part 2, Going Beyond Scripture: Why Its Time to Say Good-Bye to Priscilla Shirer and Going Beyond Ministries, https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/christ-centered-silence-for-noisy-advent-season, http://the-end-time.blogspot.com/2012/10/introducing-priscilla-shirer-and-jesus.html, Priscilla Shirer: vetting a winsome but wayward teacher | Pilgrims Progress revisited - Christiana on the narrow way, Sharing the Housewife Theologians Review of Fervent | Steak and a Bible, https://michellelesleybooks.com/2015/12/18/rock-your-role-faqs/, https://www.osv.com/Magazines/TheCatholicAnswer/ByIssue/Article/TabId/809/ArtMID/13667/ArticleID/16800/Why-Did-Jesus-Use-Parables.aspx, https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-parables.html, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fIzWbXvfps, http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=18085, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-_THJXignk, http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=10843, Dr. Oz, Priscilla Shirer, Carl Lentz partner for Faithful Fridays show | Aspreeman's Archives, Priscilla Shirer: Out Of The Closet At The Alpha Leadership Conference 2017 Emergent Watch, Is She a False Teacher? ), partnering with false teachers (thank you for noting this! Wow, I found Ms. Shirers book Fervent very helpful and uplifting. Do you think the stretching feels good? However, under Three Suggestions he mentions biblical reflection, meditate on His word, and Christ-centered silence. Theres too much wiggle room in this article to pin him down on exactly what he means by silence. Id like to see him go back and tighten it up one way or the other to give clarity to his readers. One of two things happens: either Im ignored altogether, or one of her underlings gets back in touch with me to defend her. If so, then she is well aware of what the Bible says about these issues. Yes, Im afraid thats exactly whats happening. Was Jesus gossiping in Matthew 16:6, 11,12 when He said, Beware the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees? I guess I have to do some research on those folks. But I dont recall her suggesting that Christians meditate or pursue contemplative prayer. Priscilla and her husband of 22 years, Jerry Shirer, lead Going Beyond Ministries through which they provide spiritual support and resources to the body of Christ. Verse 13. Jesus had employed many graphic analogies using common things that would be familiar to everyone (https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-parables.html). What Priscilla and so many others do is pretty much the opposite of a parable. With continuous prayer, we have decided to proceed with her study but with open eyes to the objections you brought up. she said what she means by that is, to see biblical womanhood flourish would be a great joy! MATTHEW 14:16 Job 36:26 Verse Concepts Unfortunately, Word Press doesnt show me that kind of thing until after Ive published my own comment. We treat God's written word with reverence, accepting it as complete and adequate, and refuse to alter it in any way (II Timothy 3:16,17). And besides all these big names, arent just claiming to over see a church, they are writing New York best sellers, etc. Go beyond by faith. Hi Lisa- I think the articles in my Rock Your Role series will help answer your questions and give you a biblical understanding of womens roles in the church. Pastors dont read LifeWay studies or pay attention to the false teaching crowd, for the most part. I really dont want to study scripture with/ from someone who is knowingly sinning by leading His lambs astray. read more, Scripture: Mark 7:31-37. where those who recognize the deception and want to speak up, will have a place to go. It would stand to reason that all those that have never heard of Christ have not accepted Him and therefore, as Rom 1 details, they die in their sin. The result is that those doctrines and beliefs often conflict with Scripture because theyre not based on Scripture but a fallible personal experience. I have no doubt that others have confronted her about these things. Our desire is not only for all to understand His written Word but for all to experience His Power! In the videos Ive viewed, there are only women involved (with the exception of the camera guys and the lighting guys.) Tonight at church he came up and thanked me for sharing and said he hated that these studies got past him. You may have loved her in War Room and want to buy her books. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. We are to base everything we think, do, and believe on Scripture. First,this is a sin. But growth to spiritual maturity through the study of Gods word and faithful obedience to Him isnt what Priscilla is offering through this study. In Matthew 18:15-18, It carefully lays out a process of correcting fellow Christians that have sinned. Where does the Bible teach this? The true bride will always go beyond the minimal requirements. Untold millions of Christians over the last two thousand years have studied Gods word, grown close to Him, matured in their faith, and walked faithfully with Him throughout their lives. Examples: when we I cant but take this article with only a grain of salt. My article, Jill in the Pulpit examines 1 Timothy 2:11-12 (the clearest and most concise passage addressing this topic) in context and explains it (in what I hope is a clear and understandable way- if not, please feel free to let me know if you have any questions). The Holy Spirit decided that what this church needed to combat that false teaching was a refresher course in Christology (the study of Christ- who He was, what He did, and why). Theres more than one link in the article providing video evidence of this. If you could give me some rightly handled, in context, chapter and verse Scripture to back up your opinions and beliefs, we could talk about it. (I dont think she was building doctrine in this promotional video, but I could be wrong.). Remember, the Bible says our hearts are deceitful (Jeremiah 17:9), so we cant trust our feelings unless they line up with, and are based on, the truth of Gods word. The word astonished means to be struck with amazement. What do you consider important/non-important and vital/non-vital, and on which Scriptures do you make these distinctions? read more, Scripture: Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other. #3- There are a couple of links in the additional resources section that deal with Priscillas teaching of contemplative prayer, but I really should have included one in the paragraph itself, so Ive fixed that. Click on link: #FerventFridays - Week 1 - Your Passion. Matthew 6:9-13. John 14:1-4, Luke 10:18-20, 1 Corinthians 15:19. These are sources Im familiar with and consider doctrinally sound, but if someone digs up an article one of them wrote from ten years ago that says something biblically askew, I obviously do not endorse that.) Well, that is why the rubber band was made, to be stretched. Our faith is rock solid if we have placed it in Godthe unchanging, perfect, eternal, sovereign One. Priscilla Shirer: Living Your Life For Christ (Full Teaching) | Praise on TBN (February 18, 2021) Priscilla speaks at Christine Caines Propel Womens Conference. Ive fixed it (as well as a few others that have expired). Next, as I hope you would agree, Scripture is our final authority as Christians. Priscilla Shirer on Hearing the Voice of God on Issues, Etc. Again, when the Bible says not to do something, and a person does it anyway, this is sin. Going Beyond Ministries with Priscilla Shirer The Mercy of Our Great God (March 24, 2017) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon at Celebration Church (co-pastored by a woman), Priscilla Shirer: YOUR Spiritual Battle & the Armor of God (Full Teaching) | Praise on TBN (May 21, 2021) Priscilla preaching to a co-ed audience at Passion 2018, Special Guest Priscilla Shirer (October 11, 2015) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon at The Refuge Church (co-pastored by a woman), What Are You Looking At | Priscilla Shirer | Hillsong East Coast (October 4, 2020) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon for Hillsong East Coast, Women Teachers? For example, the Bible clearly says that women are not to preach to or teach men in the church (2 Timothy 2:12). In fact, the Bible says the opposite. It does NOT say, and be baptist. Where does Priscilla get the idea that God is supposed to be speaking in these ways? Today I would like to preach on the thought astonished beyond measure. I have applied all these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another. (Ive addressed that here in case you might be interested.). In today's edition of The Mailbag: Is it OK for Christian Women to Wear Bikinis? I dont follow TGC any more. Yes, all of this is important, NO it is not vital. Thank you, Michelle! As a Christian when we face difficulty God provides the means for us to be encouraged, but we are not just to languish in that resting place. She admits it. 3 Tests Of Plagiarism: Do Your Sermons Pass Them. Jonah 2:10. It takes courage based in Jesus for you to do so, I am sure. Throughout Is there some connection between this article on Priscilla Shirer and Israel that Im missing? Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. 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