Hope 103.2 will be ready to celebrate what's good in society and culture. A lot of my adult life has been a journey of learning to trust him. So its more about our faith levels than our ability is that right? Please tell me that you have been right 100% of the time in your teachings and have never needed greater depth of insight. What part are you using to back up your claim to defend Cain and Meyer? While I understand having a passion for the scriptures (it is a passion of mine as well, as it hurts me to see people misled via ignorance of the scriptureand I have lost friends to cults this way), I do not believe it is beneficial to you, the Christian church, the gospel message, or the lost who need to be saved for you to go about attacking Christines ministry online. We went to church and developed our faith based on our trust in God, which often meant trusting people who failed us. I went from feeling as a nobody (given I am a single woman who lives in a different state from my father and brotherswe know what the traditional church thinks of women like me) to understanding that Christ saved me for a reason. This is such a mess. It involves tearing down every speculation and lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God (2 Corinthians 10:5). I have a question Have you read Mark Battersons book The Circle Maker? I dont believe it. First of all to those defending Christine Caine, the bible Gods Word, makes it very clear -women are not to preach,so quit defending her,and attacking us warning others not to follow her for their own good, instead take it up with God and argue with Him if you dont want to listen to his commands and have issues with them, tell God he is wrong ,not us.Why dont you read His word instead of lazily listening to people who you obviously are unable to discern if they are leading you off of the path , its about Him not these false prophets. The apostle John addresses such a scenario in 2 John and 3 John. 02816074) and Christian Communication Partnership Ltd (no. Please show me where one called out wolf has been accused without documentation. God can make anything come toppling down. Response to correction reveals whether you are dealing with a brother or with a wolf. > Quotable Quote. For all others, we must be clear about our rejection of their dangerous teaching. Anna, thank you for speaking up. Is it getting people to repent? "I sat in many waiting rooms full of cancer patients I could see the fear in their eyes. Christine Caine: Unleashing Your Life. I cannot be made up like I am for television for everything I do, or I will never have a life! she says. It was 9 a.m. in Australia, and my doctor in the U.S. had called to give me the results of the thyroid biopsy I . When Christians call out false teachings, teachers and practices theyre doing what is commanded in scripture, or havent you read how you are to deal with those that say theyre teachers, but their not? When you are calling names, questioning the faith of, or making assumptions about a person, you ARE making it personal. Perry teaches mostly among Reformed circles and does not subscribe to Word of Faith doctrine, according to a recent Twitter post. These people you speak of are powerful speakers of Gods word.. Its to bad you didnt spend your time teaching the Love of God rather then sit here in judgment of people your time would be better spent. Her vision is to help people overcome the obstacles, hurdles and challenges of life and maximize their God-given potential and purpose. (Marin) Im pretty confident that both of these women were richly blessed.. I dont see you recommending ANYONE else. They were completely syncretic with the pagan worship of that day. All rights reserved. Kenyons principal disciple was Kenneth Hagin Sr., the recognized father of the Word of Faith movement. We have examples in scripture where bona fide believers are the source of error in the church. God bless you. My friend Alan Hirsch says: We have to read Jesus meaning just come back to that central place. Its sad and disappointing that this site calls for us to throw the baby out with the bathwater and ignore Christines call for us to keep winning souls for Christ. Im truly confused and wondering. While Copeland remains the leader of the Word of Faith movement, several newer mass media Word of Faith preachers have eclipsed him in popularity, viz., Joel Osteen, Benny Hinn, Joseph Prince and Joyce Meyer.. What are you making your God? What Not to Say to Single Women in the Church. Yet who knows whether you have come to the kingdom for such a time as this?, 15 Then Esther told them to reply to Mordecai: 16 Go, gather all the Jews who are present in Shushan, and fast for me; neither eat nor drink for three days, night or day. This latter text is significant because of the parallel to 1 Corinthians 5. I disagree that Christine Caine, Joyce Meyer, Beth Moore and Priscilla Shirer are false teachers. Heck, Christine taught me to get more diligent about making disciples and you found a way to completely trash that. After reading several, my discernment tells me this is nothing less than a cult. To whoever wrote this, I pray that love invades your heart for a daughter of the King. Yes, I do know you to say such a thing. I am willing to bet you do NOT personally know the people you talk about on this site. 40.2K followers. 3:3). Contact Us. In person, Caine is funny, loud and unapologetic. The only teachers whom the church supports are those whose teaching is in accordance with the standard of divine truth (3 John 8). I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars . Thats not in scripture. Yet hers is no pretty, polished story, and the frankness with which she addresses her own shortcomings, doubts and fears makes it, and her exhortation to keep chasing after the kingdom of God, even more compelling. 5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me. You keep posting all these articles (written by men) about what people SHOULD do to confront false teachers, and talking about what you WILL do, but you are not answering my questions about what YOU ALREADY DO AND HAVE DONE and how WHAT YOU ALREADY DO AND HAVE DONE aligns with scripture. If they are not preaching salvation as Jesus spoke it, run!! There is some speculation regarding Lydias social status. Keep seeking the Lord and His truth will be found by you. Its a Hollywood script! We say things like: God will use the foolish things of the world to confound the wise, (1 Corinthians 1:27) and then when he does, we dont like it.My goal isnt to be a career Christian. Waiting rooms are waiting for us.". External Communication Officer. I am hard pressed to think of a single Christian speaker or author who I agree with 100% of the time (based on my understanding of scripture), but I am discerning enough to know what to discard and when to take note of a truth they are speaking that I need to apply to my life. Thanks to Christine, I plan on inviting several lost people to study the Bible with me this Easter season. The Lord convicted me about that through Ms Caines message, and I will forever be grateful to Him for the message and to her for being the vessel. You have to make that decision. I had to really get to a place where I felt Id made good headway in living a shame-free life, to be able to put the stuff that Ive learnt in writing. For over thirty years, Christine Caine has shared the hope of Jesus around the world. How can anyone hear the voice of the Holy Spirit with all these self proclaimed wise know it alls. I am sad to think that you guys would call yourselves Christians when you dont act like it. Jakes conferences, Joel Osteen conferences, Bethel conferences, preaching at Perry Nobles church, Robert Morris church and conferences, Rick Warrens church, and Steven Furticks church and conferences. I do NOT comment on hearsay. God uses different people to reach the lost because every lost person is different. Yes I agree with that, those women who followed the call of God, were and are obedient to God are a treasure in the church, good and Noble women that hear and follow their Master, not the worldly ones that ensnare the gullible, the undiscerning, the ones too lazy to read scripture, those are led astray by these false teachers. Why arent you obeying Matthew 18 and seeking ways to reach out to these people yourself? Mans heart is deceitful, and beyond cure..Jeremiah 17:9. Nobody talked about that stuff. The most I have heard Christine Caine & Joyce Meyer teach on is forgiveness, healing process and how to move on in Jesus Christ. Referencing Hebrews 6 she tells me, It doesnt matter if youre a global evangelist or somebody that nobody knows. The Holy Spirit is in all of us and Big enough to show you truth. Im an unwanted kid, second generation migrant, marginalised. Christine Caine and Victoria Osteen, from Lakewood Church , join Laurie Crouch on TBN's Praise in Jerusalem. And so that, as you could imagine, messed me up. Its time for us all to check our markers. The prolific writer and speaker has written openly about her experience of childhood sexual abuse and a raft of other challenging life events in her latest book, Unashamed. Home Paul himself speaks in favor of remaining single rather than marrying (1 Cor. In 2016, Christian author Carey Scott was the victim of plagiarism by a major celebrityinternational speaker and evangelist Christine Caine. Drive by poster, she would never back up her statement with scripture, as it would show the lack of discernment and ignorance of those that follow Copeland, Hagin, Osteen, Meyer and every other wolf that teaches that abomination. Without blemish or lies, we strive with and warn others of the impending judgement coming upon this world. 28 But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest. As long as Im abiding in him, then the testimony is, he says: No eye has seen, no ear has heard, nor has it entered into any persons heart the things that God has for those that love him (1 Corinthians 2:19). janv. THIS is why the church has a tough time bringing in the lost. What do you spend most of your time worrying about? I really hope no one reads this and takes it seriously. I will NOT throw out that message.. Heres what it means for your church, Beth Moore on overcoming abuse, growing a worldwide ministry and leaving her beloved denomination, Kemi Badenoch is right to defend Kate Forbes from religious intolerance, My daughters heart stopped as I watched on helplessly, I went to Mallorca to party. Somehow I doubt theres much of that going on. I have seen words tear apart friendships, relationships, business partnerships, and churches, and so I want to use mine responsibly. In terms of my own faith journey, growing up I attended a lot of two-hour services with liturgy in ancient Greek. . Their end will correspond to their actions., How is what you are doing here promoting the gospel of truth? He is this hope that we have; nothing else is going to do it. People tried to silence me, but God was faithful, Ravi Zacharias sins of sexual abuse went undetected for years. I pray those with ears to hear will find their way out. Word? You may see that as liberal-feminism or call me a heretic, but I see that as the Christ in me touching the heart of someone who had lost his way. In point 6, it reads: If they persist despite the warnings and either dont have a husband to oversee them, have no proper oversight from a husband who has abdicated his duty, or who just are or are married to a discernment klutz, then various scriptures say either to admonish them strongly a third time and/or to break fellowship., Point six is given without a bible reference. It isnt wrong for women who are in Christ to correct error Act 18:26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly. then I realized you are in a bad twisted place.. and if I could meet you have coffee with you see your life then that would be confirmed. I also hope this person finds truth and happiness in God and in his word. Co-founder of A21, Nick Caine, took on the Cape Epic challenge for the freedom of others. Youre going to be OK. How Did I Get Here? Finding your way back to God when everything is pulling you away(Nelson). This is so dumb. Futurism/Transhumanism Moreover, the congregation must not behave in any way that might indicate endorsement of their false teaching. She said its on ongoing process to stay emotionally strong. But it meant a lot to me that he noticed so much more than that. Im the daughter of Greek immigrants. God gave you a lifeboat. I have heard Ms. Caine speak at two different womens conferences (It is my understanding that the Bible is ok with women teaching women), and her call for us (as women) to not be distracted by todays divisive, politically chaotic climate and to remain focused on winning souls for Christ spoke to my heart. Parting question: did you see The Shack? Victoria Osteen shares how God can use your past to bring greatness to the Kingdom. Grace be with thee. . I do NOT comment on hearsay, other peoples experiences, other peoples commentary or who heard about who said what to who when. Just love God, love people, love each other. What lessons have you learned about partnering well in marriage and ministry? His Greek Orthodox family live in poverty in Australia where they immigrated. Yoga. All of these women who do speaking engagements unashamedly and unrepentantly preach to co-ed . If the message they are preaching are not the message of the True Gospel of Jesus Christ, they are not preaching truth and therefore are not bound by the rules for taking aside someone in the church. Christine Caine twists scripture. At one point, 24 years ago, holding a toilet brush, I laughed out loud and thought, Wow, this is not what I thought ministry would look like. Hebrews 2:1 says: We must pay the most careful attention, therefore, to what we have heard, so that we do not drift away. Many have been drifting for decades. 29 And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. 6. If its a false doctrine, its a false doctrine, no matter you feelings about it. 5,107 posts. Praise Jesus'. Compassion overwhelmed me, and I knew why I was there. But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumbling block before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. Mormonism Let me ask you, are Cain and Meyer repentant? And shes passionate about helping to free others from the burden of shame too whether theyve suffered abuse, or simply struggle with everyday mummy-guilt. It appears to me that this would pretty much demand absolute avoidance. Priscilla also led her household in the making of disciples. Its a story that hasnt been easy to share. Best-selling Christian author Christine Caine is calling on all Christians to get real and be authentic in their relationships in her new book. 15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. Maybe you should try reading the word again. Christine Caine is an ordained pastor of her church in Australia, and also regularly speaks and travels without her husband. Here are the lessons the Church needs to learn, The Profile: In-depth interviews with hundreds of inspiring Christians. Christine Caine; Narrator: Christine Caine; Length: 6 hours 15 minutes; Publisher: Thomas Nelson; Publish date: June 08, 2021; Language: English; ISBN: 9781400226597; 4.42 Joel Osteen & Oprah partners Joel promotes her LIFECLASS IAM Little Gods doctorine. In this post, we will consider what pastors and congregations are supposed to do in response to such persons who emerge in their midst. At one point my therapist said, "Christine, your recovery is totally dependent on you. I am still laughing. 2023 Hope Media Ltd ABN 94 284 074 898. There have been hundreds of girls rescued, and dozens of traffickers thrown in jail. Deuteronomy 18: 10,11,12 I think the Lord has given us this invitation. Marin, before you apply anything to your life from C. Caine perhaps you can use your discernment to see the wolf under the sheep costume. Im sure Craig Groeshel and Chris Hodges are somewhere on your false teachers list as well. Youre making this a personal issue, when its not. "Although a lot of bad things happened to me, my life is a testimony that God can talk the bad things that happened to you and turn them . Amo a Joyce, amo a Christine, a Beth ??? A cult? In your workplace, on your street, in your community, in your home, to be an authentic, passionate follower of the Lord Jesus Christ in this era in the West is extremely costly. There are many other denominations that have been around for years that teach false doctrines Scientology and Jehovahs Witnesses come to mind. I am so glad that Christ is my example of the Word in flesh not articles like this and authors of them. This is so dumb. We asked him about this seemingly unique warning about Covid-19, and how he feels about being labelled both charismatic and progressive, The Bible teacher and founder of Living Proof Ministries speaks candidly about her knotted-up life, From living in open community with drug addicts to raising his family in a Cambodian slum, Craig Greenfield has spent decades living in some of the poorest places on earth. I remember cleaning the toilets as well. You cant see the difference between calling someone out for false teaching or calling someone out for being a woman in charge. You think this would say some kind of socialized when it isnt. She will equip and empower you to create change in this world and live out your God given destiny! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh! There is no direct evidence that Lydia had once been a slave, but the fact that her name is her place of origin rather than a personal name suggests this as at least a possibility. Now hes using me to help rescue others. 3:5-9). I have seen and experienced the damage of hearsay, twisted words, misunderstood contexts, and the like, and I also am an avid believer that the Lord will hold me accountable for every word I say (or type), including how those words impact the reputation, feelings, faith, and guidance of others. Many of the people you are tearing down are Gods people and are in the faith, running the race.. These are the very people that turn people away from God with all their judging and misinterpretation of the bible. Christine shares how she struggled with what happened to her and how her faith helped her overcome the shame and worthlessness she felt for so many years. My whole goal is to say that Jesus put shame to shame on the cross. Id like to know how you find Christine Cains teachings to not be Biblical? Eschatology (End Times) loads of accusations with no documentation.. They only care for themselves. While I have a lot of Biblical knowledge (Ive been a Christian and serious student of the word for nearly 15 years), I was very convicted in how it had been a few years since I had won anyone to Christ. To believe a womans place is smaller than a mans is at best silly and at worst disingenuous to what God offers. I ask these questions in curiosity as Im truly baffled by the material I find here and all in the name of the same Christ that I follow. Saturday, 23 January 2021 00:57. Wow, look at all the responses against this, we need to follow what the scriptures say not twist them around, Thank you for the warning, I was caught up in these heretical teachers and I am so happy God gave me discernment and showed me that these people are not teaching but misleading thousands straight to hell. I ask these questions in curiosity as Im truly baffled by the material I find here and all in the name of the same Christ that I follow.. Subscribe to TCW's free email newsletter at this link for weekly updates and chances to win free books and music downloads. 15It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. 2:14). They are the ones who voted for Obama and Hillary. Versus voting for Trump, who is on his THIRD wife and trying to read quotes from Two Corinthians? So we became absolutists until our faith grew enough to believe Gods plan was bigger than all of us. You will have to stand before God in all things that you have said including the ways you are talking about Gods people here. It cost me everything to go forward with Jesus. Join thousands of others to get the FREEDOM POST newsletter for free, sent twice a week from The Christian Post. False teachers are those who preach against Gods Word. Christine Caine, Undaunted: Daring to do what God calls you to do. I'm basically a Greek Orthodox mother's nightmare: I didn't marry until I was 30, didn't have my first child until I was 35, and I travel the world and teach the Bible. It can come from things we have done, and from things others have done to us. He simply did not yet know the full apostolic message. use to defend their position. 31 So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done. Luke 19:39-40 3 9Some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to Jesus, Teacher, rebuke your disciples! 40I tell you, he replied, if they keep quiet, the stones will cry out.. Where does it say its ok to have others do the confronting for you? Morning Devotions, 5 Things About Jesus That Matter to You Part 3 A Time With God Audio Devotion, ChatGPT and the Rise of Technology: Wisdom in Using AI, Love is the Greatest Political Idea, says Indian Author & Philosopher, 5 Things About Jesus That Matter to You Part 2 A Time With God Audio Devotion. Amen (I Timothy 6:20-21). God bless Christine Caine as well as Joyce Meyer and every Maria Magdalene out there! Do I cruise into the second half of life? We pay our respects to Elders past, present and future. Those who respond to biblical correction reveal that they have the Spirit and are under the command of Jesus. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. Women are not meant to be in these positions. Thanks to Christine, I plan on inviting several lost people to study the Bible with me this Easter season. Thanks! Spoke at Bethel Church, delivered there a false testimony and strongly unbiblical teachings. While Caine and others have been proven by some, to someones level of satisfaction, to be wolves, ( I personally dont care, and the reasons wil be explained below ) I find the idea you have put God in a box to be the hardest partt to swallow. Life and death is in the power of the tongue.nothing wrong with positive prayers and claiming blessings over our children. When Christine was a youth pastor at the Hillsong Church, she attended a workshop on abuse to get ideas about how to help people. I am sorry to say you seem like really unhappy, envious people who just seek to divide and bring fear, manipulate and imtimidate. A21, the anti-trafficking organisation that she and her husband founded, has seen more women rescued and more traffickers prosecuted during Covid-19 than at any point in its history. It's breathtaking to see what God has done in our offices around the world. It was this last experience, she says, which prompted the writing of her latest bookHow Did I Get Here? Who were you directing this to? 8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. At the time, she was set to take part in speaking engagements, go on a worship tour with Kari Job and release her new book, Unstoppable. Because you dont like Christine? I leave what doesnt line up with God to God to deal with. Mary was who we worshiped and the saints more than anything. "Of course the enemy wanted to silence my voice," said Caine. If you mean warning of wolves behind pulpits, yes.Its called warning. Christine Caine partners with heretics, promotes them, and endorses them. And in the same way, if our body is broken before we pray the sinner's prayer, it's still broken the minute after we pray it. When you question someones salvation, you are questioning their citizenship in heaven. Published on 06 December 2016. Do I seem like this in my workplace, my family, on social media? We are all called to preach the gospel to others not only men! I could not have said it better. Why cant you say hey, its great you are working on your evangelismhere are some better resources I recommend because of ___? For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple., The word mark is from (skopeo) which means to look at, behold, watch, contemplate; which is used metaphorically of looking to. It is used (Romans 16:17) of a warning against those who cause divisions, and in (Philippians 3:17) of observing those who walk uprightly that Christians might choose to walk after the example of the apostle and his fellow workers. All thats done here is to warn people!E of false teachers, false theology and false biblical practices, how is that in anyway being Pharisee? Among these are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have delivered over to Satan, so that they may be taught not to blaspheme (1 Tim. Currently you have JavaScript disabled. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. Its so sad I just cant un see all this bologna you all have a blessed life Ill pray for you In Jesus name, Karen, I completely agree with you. Our job is not to judge others. What are churches to do when false teachers from outside a congregation exert an influence within the congregation? 11 Net worth of US$300 million. But battles never come at convenient times, do they? He wasn't helping me. Paul has nothing remotely nice to say about those to purport to speak for Christ. The act of circle marking is occult in nature period. With her husband Nick, Christine is a pastor at Hillsong . The strawman argument youre trying to rope me into wont work with me. What do you think you can do differently to appeal to the masses that you should be trying to save? 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